19 August 2019: Pre-production samples are on the way.



They’ve just finished testing the main mold and preproduction samples will be here next week!

Hopefully, production units will ship next month.

Thanks for your patience.

Sometimes the simple stuff takes longer than you’d expect…
Actually, the title should be “the simple stuff always takes longer than you expect.
We ended up completely redesigning the center divider, increasing the bottom thickness of the tray and adding feet. Adding the feet was easy (once we figured out where to put them). Redoing the center divider wasn’t too bad, just kind of tedious. Increasing the bottom thickness? That got a bit messy.
Anyway, the design is finished and will soon be set in steel. The basic machining should take three or four weeks, then the molds be sent out for texturing.
Unless we run into unexpected issues, we should see the first production samples in early September.
Once approved, we’ll make the first production run right away. We hope to be shipping the pre-orders before the end of September.

The crowdfunding campaign was supposed to end at midnight, March 11th.

However, you may have noticed that the countdown timer was still ticking away this morning, clearly in violation of the space/time continuum. (If you had refreshed your browser, it always started over with two days; 01:18:19 remaining.)

Okay, we probably should have noticed the error earlier. To be honest, we find the situation a bit humorous, this is a minor glitch compared to the other problems we’ve had with the software.

If you thought you had two days left to sign up and still want to, let us know.

Frankly, we’re focused on the next prototype and will be publishing an updated schedule soon. And we’ll pay extra attention to the calendar.

About those Hold-Down Tabs:

We’re testing a prototype with the hold-down tabs mounted to the lid. So far it looks good but it complicates the mold. Part of the complication is making the tabs user configurable.

The good news: it seems, (to us anyway) that it’s easier to handle in the dark.

The bad news: it will raise the production cost a bit. We’re now estimating retail will be in the $140-$160 range.

Now the big news: we’re extending our crowdfunding campaign to March 11th.

Obviously, this gives people more time to sign up. We’re really close to the goal; almost close enough that even if we don’t technically reach it, the project could still get the go-ahead.

There’s also an engineering reason: the changes we’ve made to the design (moving the hold-down tabs to the lid), means we need to revisit the mold quotes. We don’t expect any major impact to cost or schedule but we want to be sure.

We’re very optimistic that the SP-8×10+ will become reality.

People started asking for a super-sized version of the SP-445 Film System before it was even in production! If you’ve followed our blog and newsletters (you do subscribe, right? if not click here), you know that we’ve attempted several larger prototypes but none of them reached their funding goals. Very disappointing.


So why do we think the SP-8×10+ will succeed?

  • Simplicity: No frames/holders to fumble with in the dark. Just take the lid off and drop in your film. No seals, O rings or complicated mechanical contraptions. And it requires only 500 ml of chemistry.
  • Flexibility: It will handle anything smaller than 8×10. Simple dividers keep smaller sheets separate. The production version will handle anything between 4×5 and 8×10: 5×7, 4×10, 4×5. Yeah, 9×12 will work too. You should be able to adapt it for those odd-ball sizes that no one else has heard off.
  • Proven: tray processing has been around since, well, the first days of photography. It just works.

In fact, we’re so impressed with the concept that we’ve filed a patent.


SP-8x10+ 5x7 config with notes

Project Goals:

  • Easy to load: Remember, you have to do this in the dark!
    It doesn’t get much easier than this. Just take off the lid, drop in the film and put the lid back on. No messing with holders, frames or tubes. To be honest, handling 4×5 is pretty simple. But 8×10? That’s a whole new ballgame and we wanted to keep it simple.
  • Efficient: traditional trays or dip tanks require gallons processing chemicals!
    We set a “max liquid volume” limit of 500 ml/sheet. In fact, we’ve processed 8×10 in as little as 400 ml (but we recommend 500 ml just to be safe.)
  • Simple and reliable:
    We wanted to avoid complicated seals or a hard to remove lid. No seals to wear out and the lid just drops in place. We originally had designed some really cool latches but found we just didn’t need them.
  • Easy to fill/easy to empty:
    And make it fast. Our baffle design fill/drains in around 10 seconds. The centered pour spout makes filling and draining it a simple operation.
  • Excellent agitation:
    We’ve gotten the best results by just lifting the tray (with two hands) and “swirling” the liquid like a gold panner.
  • Inexpensive:
    It’s just a plastic tray, it shouldn’t cost more than your camera. Actually the pricing equation is a bit complicated as anyone who has worked in product development knows. There are a lot of expenses that the accounting department wants accounted for (excuse the pun.) We won’t bore you with the details. We’re estimating the production retail price will be around $150/system (final price TBD) but we’re going to offer early adopters a system for $123.
  • Observable:
    How can you tell that you’ve got the right amount of solution at the right temperature? The fill/drain chamber allows you to see how much liquid is in the tank and easily accommodates a thermometer.
SP=8x10+ 4x5 config with notes
SP-8x10+ configured for 4x5

SP-8×10+ configured for 4×5

Lessons learned:

The SP-8×10+ is our sixth or seventh attempt (depending on how you count). We’ve learned a lot:

  • Film sinks.
    Obviously. Since film has a density of around 1.5 grams/cm3 and water, by definition, has a density of 1.0 grams/cm3. So film will sink. Two caveats: first, you have to get past the surface tension. This is why you have to push the film down in tray. But once it’s under water, it will tend to stay there. Second, we’re talking about still water. Flowing water in your wash tray will move the film around.
  • Surface tension is our friend.
    The big trick is getting the film under the developer quickly and evenly. Since this is a daylight safe tray, you can’t just push it under like Ansel did.
    Here’s where surface tension comes in: just pre-soak the film. Once the film is wet it flattens out and sink; as you drain the water, surface tension between the back of the film and the bottom of the tray will hold it down as you refill the tray.
    When the film is submerged again, the surface tension is gone and liquid is allowed under the film to wash away any anti-halation coating.
    We’ve going to include some hold down tabs just to make sure the film doesn’t tray to float away during the pre-soak (not shown in renderings). Maybe we’re a bit paranoid. We’ve experimented with attaching them to the lid or to the dividers and baffles. Not sure how it will end up.
  • Some things are easier to do horizontally than vertically; handling 8×10 film is one of them.
    We’ve tried numerous different schemes over the last few years; all of them (until now), involved a vertical tank. They were all awkward to load; especially in a dark box. The SP-8×10+ system is as easy as it gets and doesn’t require as much vertical space.

Back the Campaign:

Help bring the SP-8×10+ to production. Each kit includes:

  • Bottom Tray
  • Lid
  • Baffle set
  • Divider set for 5×7 and 4×5



Other sizes: we suspect that the tray will accommodate 13×18 cm; it will probably handle 9×12 cm as well. However, neither has been tested. In theory, you should be able to process any size smaller than 8×10.

Glass plates: it will certainly handle glass plates. No special holders required. Two caveats: first, don’t tilt the tray too steeply when draining it. You might cause the plates to fall forward. Second, be careful lifting the plates out, you might need a tool of some kind to get under the edge.


Preliminary Schedule:

Here’s our first draft schedule:

  • Funding Campaign ends: March 4th
  • Design finalized/start machining molds: March 25th
  • First pre-production samples: May 1st
  • Start production run: May 13th
  • First customer shipment: June 3rd.

Of course, standard disclaimers apply. As we’ve said before, stuff happens and schedules suffer. However, we’re pretty confident that if the campaign is a success that we’ll be in production in May.


Our plan is to ship directly from our warehouse in Hong Kong (and this time iwill come in a really stout box). That would mean arrival at the customer’s address by the end of June.

Risks, Challenges and Disclaimers

We don’t foresee any major technical risks. After all, this isn’t our first injection mold! In fact, compared to some of our other projects, it’s pretty tame. But you never know. Stuff happens.

The biggest undefined feature is the hold down tabs. We’ve tried them mounted to the lid as well as to the baffles/side of the tank. Both work fine and the final design (maybe a combination of the two?) will probably be determined by manufacturing considerations.


Regarding the funding goal:

  • If the campaign meets it’s funding goal, we’ll put the SP-8×10+ into production as quickly as practical.
  • If the campaign doesn’t meet the funding goal? That’s where things could get interesting.
  • If the campaign isn’t even close to the goal, we’ll cancel the project and refund everyone’s purchase price.
  • However, if it’s close (and we haven’t defined what “close” means), we may decide to proceed anyway.

The last scenario brings up an advantage of running in independent campaign: flexibility. For example, if one of our distributors wants to commit to a large pre-order, we can take that into account even if the campaign hasn’t met its official goal.


We’ll keep everyone posted as things progress.


Please note: Legally speaking, you’re not making a purchase but will receive a “reward” for your support. Just like the big name crowdfunding sites. While this has many implications, the biggest is this: the design may change over the course of the campaign. While we don’t expect anything major, we can’t rule it out. That’s just the nature of product development.